Weber County Commissioners say their against taxes, so they have the little old lady, that is the County Assessor, jack up your home assessments, because they know nobody will ridicule her.
Now the Commissioners can claim to lower the tax rate. When in fact your still paying more taxes.
Just watch and see. It's budget time for the Weber County Commissioners.
Now that they've raised everybody's assessments on their homes. And will have an estimated 15% to 20% increase in the budget.
Cops and Firefighters will ask for a cost of living increase, but they’ll say, "There’s just not enough money in the budget." And we’re for "LESS GOVERNMENT."
Then that extra 15% to 20% in the budget, they'll hand it out to their business buddies for their so called "ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT."
I have to admit that your mockery is funny, but unfortunately, you're ridiculing the hopes of thousands of families who's kids are stuck in schools that don't work for them.
Congratulations. Job well done.
How about you call up Children First Utah to get their waiting list of low income families that hope to win one of their $1,800 private school scholarships. And then you can send them all this fun little commercial you put together. I bet they'd really enjoy it.
And to the supposed "Republican", a $3,000 voucher to a poor family or even a $500 voucher to a billionaire's kid, is a lot less than the $7,500 subsidy every person (including Governor Huntsman's kids) gets in our public schools.
And since according to Utahns for Public Schools, people already have choice within public schools, that means I'm being forced to pay $7,500 for every parent who chooses a public school. How unfair!! This is so un-American!! Being forced to pay for other people's choices like when someone on food stamps chooses Smith's instead of Wal-Mart. Or when someone on Medicare chooses IHC instead of a University Hospital...
I forgot to mention what would be in my ad if I made one for Utahns for Public Schools.
I think it would start off with someone in the PTA saying that people who want vouchers are the spawn of Satan with a quick cameo from John Jacobs where he suddenly realizes that it was pro-voucher people who were holding back his campaign and so he kicks down the Voucher yard sign he had just put in his yard.
Then I'd have my favorite Utah Democrat Wayne Holland inform everyone in TV land that pro-voucher people are all anti-LDS followed by a grainy, black and white photo of Richard Eyre and Orrin Hatch with a sub-title under their photo that says: "Covert Anti-LDS Mormons. Don't be fooled."
And then I'd have Don Gale show up explaining how voucher funding is evil (or maybe I would just show a picture of the op-ed where he says that).
And then to conclude the ad, the PTA person, John Jacobs, Wayne Holland, and Don Gale would stand together and say in unison: "Vote against Referendum 1 because voucher supporters are satanic, religious zealots who hate their own faith but will use it to manipulate voters, unlike us."
I haven't heard the "trapped in failing government schools" line from you guys for at least 20 minutes. Thanks for bringing that up again.
I didn't create the commercial - don't know who did. Just a light-hearted moment in a hotly contested campaign.
I applaud Children First Utah - a private solution to a private problem.
Children First Utah "scholarships" are means-tested and capped. Unlike HB148, they don't give scholarships to people with 6 or 7-figure incomes.
Show me a voucher bill similar to Children First Utah's structure and we might have a starting point to a real bill.
Of course public education is a subsidy...run...by...the...PUBLIC!
Food stamps? Medicare? You make my point rather than yours. There are strict guidelines on how such things are used. Quackticians selling Xango may not bill Medicare. You can't buy liquor with food stamps.
But with the voucher bill you can start a school to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and receive taxpayer dollars. All you need are 40 students, a self-appointed Flying Spaghetti Expert, and a room to meet in once a week.
HB148 proponents expect taxpayers to spend hundreds of millions of dollars with no voice on that money is spent.
And, no, I certainly don't think millionaires should be getting $500 vouchers, especially when they never intended to send their children to public schools in the first place.
There must have been drugs involved when they were writing this bill. I can think of no other explanation (except, well, perhaps, greed and hate).
You think hundreds of low-income families wanting to send their kids to a school where they have a better chance to succeed is a "private problem"?
Something's very wrong with that statement.
It's a perfect reflection of how voucher opponents are not only cynical in their desires to help the poor, but also base their opposition to vouchers on a faulty premise: the false idea that the public good is only served by kids going to government-run schools.
Tell me, does a child who receives a quality education at a private school not serve the public good? Do people who graduate from private universities not serve the public good?
Wake up, Craig. The public good can be provided for by private means.
And you're right; someone could start a private school of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But do you know 40 families that would send their kids to that school? Give me a break and have some trust in Utah parents to make a decision for their family. I'm not scared.
And lastly, since I support this voucher bill, does it mean I'm full of greed and hate and on drugs? Why don't you just say that I'm from Satan, Craig?
Come on. You know you want to. You've already implied that I'm motivated by hate and greed. So why not go all the way?
P.S. I hope you'll have the integrity to not post anything to this blog about voucher supporters "demeaning meaningful debate on this important issue" because to do so would be a bit hypocritical considering your latest remarks.
I also hope you could honestly think of other reasons why someone might write the voucher bill the way they did. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're motivated by evil things.
Personally, I think you're misguided on this issue mostly because you have aligned yourself with a world view that's not as beneficial to the plight of man as my own. But I'm pretty sure your not motivated by hate and greed...or on drugs.
Wow - you're sure taking all of these comments seriously.
The Satan comment somebody made was a stupid one - you don't see anyone here defending it.
The drugs comment was a joke. It was over the top. The commercial was over the top. This post was a joke post. There are plenty of opportunities for real debate.
Sorry if this one was over the top.
Now - to hate and greed. The people pushing this bill hate unions, liberals, and educrats. They've made that fairly clear about a gazillion times. Tell me how hate is not a major factor in the pro-voucher campaign? Do they not really hate anti-voucher folks - perhaps it's just campaign strategy masking hearts of tolerance and respect?
It seems to me that their entire vocabulary is based on hate speech. See my "phrasebook" post.
And regarding greed, please enlighten me. How is it that vouchers to millionaires aren't a manifestation of blatant self-interest (e.g., greed). This makes absolutely no sense to me - if this were about helping low and middle-income students they would have followed the Children First Utah model and capped the voucher.
So, please take the chance to explain to me how this isn't simply hate and greed at work?
I'm sick of the republican "Secret Combinations" that take 20 percent of my wages to hand out to the rich republican business men like the Huntsman's and Miller's.
All for so-called "ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT."
If you don't like the public school system? Then join the P T A Or simply tell your Republican elected leaders, to fix it!!!
Rob.. I just tried to email you the photos from last night. Will you email me back if you got them? If not, send an email to bestmonkeyfriends (at) yahoo (dot) com.
Craig, I'll explain you why a millionaire deserves a $500 voucher when you can explain to me why the same millionaire deserves a $7500 public school subsidy.
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My kids are better than your kids, so the government should give me a $3000.00
So my kids won't have to go to school with your kids.
I 'll stop the voucher problem and big government.
Just send your kids to my house, I'll teach them a thing or two.
Weber County Commissioners say their against taxes, so they have the little old lady, that is the County Assessor, jack up your home assessments, because they know nobody will ridicule her.
Now the Commissioners can claim to lower the tax rate. When in fact your still paying more taxes.
Just watch and see. It's budget time for the Weber County Commissioners.
Now that they've raised everybody's assessments on their homes. And will have an estimated 15% to 20% increase in the budget.
Cops and Firefighters will ask for a cost of living increase, but they’ll say, "There’s just not enough money in the budget." And we’re for "LESS GOVERNMENT."
Then that extra 15% to 20% in the budget, they'll hand it out to their business buddies for their so called "ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT."
Wake up.. Their all full of krap..
Republicans say one thing, but do the opposite..
I have to admit that your mockery is funny, but unfortunately, you're ridiculing the hopes of thousands of families who's kids are stuck in schools that don't work for them.
Congratulations. Job well done.
How about you call up Children First Utah to get their waiting list of low income families that hope to win one of their $1,800 private school scholarships. And then you can send them all this fun little commercial you put together. I bet they'd really enjoy it.
And to the supposed "Republican", a $3,000 voucher to a poor family or even a $500 voucher to a billionaire's kid, is a lot less than the $7,500 subsidy every person (including Governor Huntsman's kids) gets in our public schools.
And since according to Utahns for Public Schools, people already have choice within public schools, that means I'm being forced to pay $7,500 for every parent who chooses a public school. How unfair!! This is so un-American!! Being forced to pay for other people's choices like when someone on food stamps chooses Smith's instead of Wal-Mart. Or when someone on Medicare chooses IHC instead of a University Hospital...
I forgot to mention what would be in my ad if I made one for Utahns for Public Schools.
I think it would start off with someone in the PTA saying that people who want vouchers are the spawn of Satan with a quick cameo from John Jacobs where he suddenly realizes that it was pro-voucher people who were holding back his campaign and so he kicks down the Voucher yard sign he had just put in his yard.
Then I'd have my favorite Utah Democrat Wayne Holland inform everyone in TV land that pro-voucher people are all anti-LDS followed by a grainy, black and white photo of Richard Eyre and Orrin Hatch with a sub-title under their photo that says: "Covert Anti-LDS Mormons. Don't be fooled."
And then I'd have Don Gale show up explaining how voucher funding is evil (or maybe I would just show a picture of the op-ed where he says that).
And then to conclude the ad, the PTA person, John Jacobs, Wayne Holland, and Don Gale would stand together and say in unison: "Vote against Referendum 1 because voucher supporters are satanic, religious zealots who hate their own faith but will use it to manipulate voters, unlike us."
Dave,
Funny anti-spoof. You should post it on you tube.
I haven't heard the "trapped in failing government schools" line from you guys for at least 20 minutes. Thanks for bringing that up again.
I didn't create the commercial - don't know who did. Just a light-hearted moment in a hotly contested campaign.
I applaud Children First Utah - a private solution to a private problem.
Children First Utah "scholarships" are means-tested and capped. Unlike HB148, they don't give scholarships to people with 6 or 7-figure incomes.
Show me a voucher bill similar to Children First Utah's structure and we might have a starting point to a real bill.
Of course public education is a subsidy...run...by...the...PUBLIC!
Food stamps? Medicare? You make my point rather than yours. There are strict guidelines on how such things are used. Quackticians selling Xango may not bill Medicare. You can't buy liquor with food stamps.
But with the voucher bill you can start a school to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and receive taxpayer dollars. All you need are 40 students, a self-appointed Flying Spaghetti Expert, and a room to meet in once a week.
HB148 proponents expect taxpayers to spend hundreds of millions of dollars with no voice on that money is spent.
And, no, I certainly don't think millionaires should be getting $500 vouchers, especially when they never intended to send their children to public schools in the first place.
There must have been drugs involved when they were writing this bill. I can think of no other explanation (except, well, perhaps, greed and hate).
Craig,
You think hundreds of low-income families wanting to send their kids to a school where they have a better chance to succeed is a "private problem"?
Something's very wrong with that statement.
It's a perfect reflection of how voucher opponents are not only cynical in their desires to help the poor, but also base their opposition to vouchers on a faulty premise: the false idea that the public good is only served by kids going to government-run schools.
Tell me, does a child who receives a quality education at a private school not serve the public good? Do people who graduate from private universities not serve the public good?
Wake up, Craig. The public good can be provided for by private means.
And you're right; someone could start a private school of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But do you know 40 families that would send their kids to that school? Give me a break and have some trust in Utah parents to make a decision for their family. I'm not scared.
And lastly, since I support this voucher bill, does it mean I'm full of greed and hate and on drugs? Why don't you just say that I'm from Satan, Craig?
Come on. You know you want to. You've already implied that I'm motivated by hate and greed. So why not go all the way?
P.S. I hope you'll have the integrity to not post anything to this blog about voucher supporters "demeaning meaningful debate on this important issue" because to do so would be a bit hypocritical considering your latest remarks.
I also hope you could honestly think of other reasons why someone might write the voucher bill the way they did. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're motivated by evil things.
Personally, I think you're misguided on this issue mostly because you have aligned yourself with a world view that's not as beneficial to the plight of man as my own. But I'm pretty sure your not motivated by hate and greed...or on drugs.
Dave,
Wow - you're sure taking all of these comments seriously.
The Satan comment somebody made was a stupid one - you don't see anyone here defending it.
The drugs comment was a joke. It was over the top. The commercial was over the top. This post was a joke post. There are plenty of opportunities for real debate.
Sorry if this one was over the top.
Now - to hate and greed. The people pushing this bill hate unions, liberals, and educrats. They've made that fairly clear about a gazillion times. Tell me how hate is not a major factor in the pro-voucher campaign? Do they not really hate anti-voucher folks - perhaps it's just campaign strategy masking hearts of tolerance and respect?
It seems to me that their entire vocabulary is based on hate speech. See my "phrasebook" post.
And regarding greed, please enlighten me. How is it that vouchers to millionaires aren't a manifestation of blatant self-interest (e.g., greed). This makes absolutely no sense to me - if this were about helping low and middle-income students they would have followed the Children First Utah model and capped the voucher.
So, please take the chance to explain to me how this isn't simply hate and greed at work?
Thanks Dave,
Craig.
Dave:
I'm sick of the republican "Secret Combinations" that take 20 percent of my wages to hand out to the rich republican business men like the Huntsman's and Miller's.
All for so-called "ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT."
If you don't like the public school system? Then join the P T A
Or simply tell your Republican elected leaders, to fix it!!!
Oh.. I forgot… its government's fault.
Responsible citizenship requires us to elevate public education, not to abandon it for selfish, elitist, anti-social reasons.
Damn,
Wayne gets all the great roles.
Craig says,
..."The people pushing this bill hate unions, liberals, and educrats. They've made that fairly clear about a gazillion times."...
Hmmm, I am pushing for this bill to pass and I don't hate unions, liberals and educrats.
Exception noted :-)
Rob.. I just tried to email you the photos from last night. Will you email me back if you got them? If not, send an email to bestmonkeyfriends (at) yahoo (dot) com.
But Marlin, you're special.
Are you still teaching economics?
Rob,
Still teaching--and learning.
Dave,
I just checked out your blog. It's a lot like your comments here . . . not a lot of "thoughts". ;)
Craig,
I'll explain you why a millionaire deserves a $500 voucher when you can explain to me why the same millionaire deserves a $7500 public school subsidy.
Enlighten me.
I want to learn more about the Flying Spaghetti. Where can I sign up and how much is tuition? And can vouchers give me more Oreos?
Mmmmmmmm....oreos.
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