Friday, October 26, 2007

Flawed Utah voucher proposal fails as a market solution

Proponents of the Utah voucher bill are quick to ignore the bill’s faults such as poor accountability for public funds, unnecessary high cost, and its failure to help most low and middle-income families. For most voters, any one of these flaws is sufficient for them to vote AGAINST the bill.

Ironically, however, the bill also fails as a market solution. Let’s review:

As the impartial analysis in the Voter Information Pamphlet indicates, the skyrocketing costs of the Utah bill as it is phased in would come from paying vouchers to those who never intended to go to public schools in the first place. Such choices are pre-determined. And, as any economist will tell you, subsidizing pre-determined choices does not create competitive pressure since it does not alter any outcomes. These parents have already made up their minds to send their children to private schools. There is no point in handing out vouchers to them since it does nothing to influence other schools to improve. We would be racking up hundreds of millions of dollars in new, unnecessary expenditures and receiving no competitive benefits whatsoever in return. This makes no sense.

But what about the switchers, proponents ask? Let’s begin with those switchers who would have switched anyway without a voucher. Again, we would be paying out vouchers for no reason. As it stands now, any competitive pressure induced by their departure is already realized. With vouchers, this market force doesn’t change. The only thing that’s different is that we would be spending money – millions of taxpayer dollars – unnecessarily.

So, that leaves us with the switchers who would leave because of the voucher. By now, we would have already spent hundreds of millions of dollars just getting to the point where we might see some competitive forces at work. Was it worth it? Do public schools actually improve because of vouchers?

Not really. Multiple studies show that vouchers do not make public schools better. Just this week, yet another study – this time from a conservative thinktank – underscored the Milwaukee voucher program’s disappointing real-world results. And in the New Zealand program, poorly performing schools simply became worse as they ended up with larger concentrations of difficult-to-teach students. Lawmakers, committed to seeing their market forces experiment work, ignored these schools for years. But it didn’t work and in the end lawmakers had no choice but to intercede and to invest in these schools.

Returning to our scenario - remember, by now we would have spent hundreds of millions of dollars needlessly paying for predetermined choices just to get to the point where a few switchers might exert some competitive pressure. In the bill’s impartial analysis, given the price elasticity of demand, the Legislative Fiscal Analyst determined that about 3 students per school per year might switch because of the voucher. This small switch rate is completely insufficient to force whatever improvements proponents claim the bill will generate.

So this leaves proponents with only one remaining scenario to talk about – more switchers!

With the flaws in the bill becoming clear and with the cost vs. savings argument debunked, we’re now starting to see the “more switchers” argument surface. Senator Bramble recently said:

“One way to avoid higher income and property taxes is to offer parents the option to have their children move into the private sector and take some pressure off our public schools. That's what the voucher plan is all about.” (Emphasis added)

Proponents, including the bill's sponsor, are now making the case that somehow we must increase the switch rate far in excess of the impartial analysis; they’ve even raised the specter of tax increases if we don’t. Wishful thinkers are now flooding the blogs and debates with their own wild personal speculations of enormously higher switch rates.

But how does this actually happen? How do we convince MORE families to LEAVE the public schools? And if motivating more families to LEAVE is necessary for the bill to become effective, what does this mean for our public schools and the students they serve?

Remember - it took hundreds of millions of dollars just to get to the point where we must now wish for thousands upon thousands of additional public school students beyond the impartial numbers to LEAVE our public schools just to recoup the massive opportunity costs on the chance that the bill might exert market forces so it might create some competitive pressure so our schools might improve in spite of overwhelming research showing that this hasn’t worked when it’s been tried before.

Does this sound like a winning strategy?

But even if all of that does happen, just where does that leave the overwhelming majority of students who remain in our public schools? If the goal is to convince students to LEAVE the public schools, then what possible motivation would these lawmakers have to improve our public schools? If we improve our schools, we reduce the demand to leave. If we reduce the demand to leave, we reduce the switch rate. If we reduce the switch rate, the bill becomes an expensive failure. Why on this green earth would we set up a scenario in which the success of one program hinges on the failure of another? Why would we sacrifice the quality of the public schools where 96% of our children attend just to make them SO BAD that thousands of additional families would WANT to leave, just so we can say this bill was not a failure?

This bill makes no sense. Let’s vote it down and work together to craft real solutions that benefit all Utah schoolchildren.

35 comments:

Marlin said...

Now that you bring up elasticity of demand we should point out an interesting fact.
The interesting fact here is the elasticity used is less than 1. (.48) Goods with an elasticity of less than 1 are considered inelastic. Goods with an elasticity of greater than 1 are considered to be elastic.
Goods that are considered inelastic are: gasoline, prescription drugs, food, etc.
Goods that are considered to be elastic are: Yachts, restaurant meals, jewelry, etc.
So we can derive from the legislative analysis that they believe private schools to be a necessity. I agree—and while their numbers need some work, they have the right concept in mind. We should support them and vote for the voucher bill.

Unknown said...

Marlin,

Inelasticity simply means that price is less of a factor in driving demand. This actually bolsters the argument that there would be MORE switchers who would have left without the voucher anyway, highlighting the reduced capacity of the voucher as a vehicle to drive competition.

The fact that staples are inelastic does not imply that all inelastic goods or services are staples. Whether you're in Utah, Hawaii, or Romania, you will need to purchase staple goods, and you're pretty much stuck with a general range of prices for these staples.

But price is only one of many considerations driving public-to-private school switcher demand. Other studies have shown this and are in agreement with the LFA's analysis. The factors driving switcher demand fall largely outside of the monetary enticement capacity of the voucher. Simply raising the voucher amount won't help, either, since you would then have sharply escalating opportunity costs to pay a greater amount to the non-switchers.

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Unknown said...

Hello, Rob, please go to this link ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=0xbR-3zr0dc ) for the KSL Voucher Truth Test. It relates directly to Utah and the voucher program in this state. I'm adding the link to my blog as well as well as a link to www.votefor1.com

Unknown said...

Lari,

You really need to check the facts for yourself - Richard Piatt simply got it wrong. For instance, he said in his story that teachers in voucher schools had to have a college degree AND relevant experience. This is (MAKE STAMPING SOUND) FALSE! There is absolutely no requirement that a teacher have a degree or a license. And the "experience" is up to the private school to determine, not the parents or taxpayers.

He also said that schools had to be accredited. This is also (STAMPING SOUND) FALSE! There is no requirement at all that schools be accredited.

It was simply inaccurate. But that's not stopping people from using the story as an excuse not to check the facts for themselves.

And Richard's story also apparently had no effect on the KSL editorial board who soundly rejected vouchers.

Rob said...

At first Piatt said, "I'm sticking to my story". After a few days he admitted that he didn't understand all the facts on this issue. He also never did the so-called "Truth" test on the Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy ad.

Everyone makes mistakes.

PCE is pimping that story, but where is their link to KSL's rejection of Referendum 1?

Thanks for dropping by,

Rob said...

KSL Rejects Vouchers

From The KSL editorial board:

The KSL Editorial Board has thoughtfully considered the views presented by opponents and proponents of school vouchers, and has come to the conclusion that a broad taxpayer supported voucher system should not be implemented in Utah.

Our opposition to vouchers boils down to a fundamental question: Is Utah's public school system broken and in such disarray that doing something as radical and unproven as directing precious tax dollars toward private schools, many of them parochial, the answer?

We think not!

It is not a question of school choice since parents already have a variety of options in Utah. Any parent who so chooses can send a child to a private school, or a charter school, or a different public school! School choice is not the issue!

A vote against vouchers must not be interpreted as a vote for the status quo. Make no mistake about it, there's plenty of room for improvement. Still, contemplate what could be accomplished if the energy that has been directed at vouchers could be redirected toward implementing reasoned, effective and adequately funded reforms in the tried and tested public school system.

In KSL's view, that's where the focus of Utahns ought to be. Let's reject vouchers and work toward making changes that will benefit all Utah children for generations to come.

Unknown said...

The Referendum takes household income into account. Obviously, the upper middle class and wealthy can already afford to send their children to private schools, the vouchers wouldn't be for them. It's based on income, it's not just for anyone who would like to go to a private school, including those who are wealthy. So to say that taxpayers would be paying for a bunch of rich kids to go to a private school is misleading. The vouchers would benefit those who cannot afford to go to a charter or private school, and we as tax payers would pay less for them to go to said schools (up to $3000) than if they went to a public school ($7500).

Unknown said...

Thanks for the quick response. I appreciate hearing more about the issue.

Rob said...

$7500.00? Where did you get your numbers Lari?

ENNUI: a feeling of utter weariness and discontent resulting from satiety or lack of interest; boredom: The endless lecture produced an unbearable ennui.

Unknown said...

lol.. Thank you for defining ennui, I had no idea what it meant before. Did you look it up just now?

Unknown said...

http://www.votefor1.com/whyvotefor1.asp

Rob said...

Yes and no. I have used the word before in a paper I wrote. When I saw it on your blog title I needed a reminder.

Unknown said...

lol... nice :)

Rob said...

PCE used the most exspensive school districts in Utah, and then dropped the least exspensive districts to push their number up.

The actual average dollars spent in Utah per-pupil is $5257.00.

Unknown said...

Where did you find that number? I'm just wondering so I could research the matter further. Thanks. By the way, that's still more than the voucher program...

Anonymous said...

Holy sh*t! This is the single most important post I have seen yet regarding Utah's voucher program. You have singularly destroyed almost every pro-voucher argument there ever was.

I know the Amicus is Utah's most influential politcal blog, but this post really needs to be seen. I hope you have some version of this ramped up as an op-ed for the newspapers.

Anonymous said...

marlin,

Couldn't price inelasticity just as easily mean private schools are not necessary at all? Afterall, if there is that little demand relative to price, and the product is already thoroughly under-utilized, doesn't that imply almost no demand (i.e. need) in the first place?

Anonymous said...

lari,

Are you serious? You need to read through the previous voucher threads on this blog and those that are linked to (both pro and con) on this blog. Your simplistic arguments are simply not going work here. You might want to try Richard and Linda Eyre for a receptive audience . . . ;)

Anonymous said...

BTW, lari, how could someone "not afford" to go to a charter school but somehow they could afford private school with a voucher? Charter schools are free. There are of course costs for transportation, uniforms, etc. but private schools have those as well, plus any excess tuition on top of what is covered by the voucher.

Unknown said...

Thanks Don.

Rob said...

Lari, you came to visit, so you could shout, "Watch this report!"

So, I showed you the editorial by KSL rejecting vouchers, the same station that aired that report. They rejected vouchers.

I then provided you the true numbers and you say, "Thanks. By the way, that's still more than the voucher program..."

Go shout out these numbers. Go shout the "Truth" that has been provided here, for you.

The Truth will set you free, Lari, if it is truth you are truly seeking.

Take some time and read the pages of this blog. Go back to Febuary and catch up.

It's all there. Referendum 1 is bad for Utah.

Unknown said...

Thanks for the comments. I will take my time some time today to read through this blog. Although I am intrigued that KSL seems to have changed its mind on the voucher program, I am going to have to disagree with them when they say it's untried and untested. It has worked in other areas of the country.
By the way, I came here for some information. I honestly would like to know more about the issue. I am still confused by your last point though, Rob. Yes I do say, "That's still more than the voucher program," because it still IS more than the voucher program. Would you be willing to refute that? I simply asked you your source as to where you got your number, and you just tell me to read these blog entries that date back to February. That's fine, I don't mind reading them, but can you not honestly give me a link or a source as to where you got your figure? I know you can, so why don't you help a poor fella out?
As a soon-to-be low income new mother, who wants to be actively involved in her child's education, I have to say that I hope my social status and income level do not force me to live in a school district with a bad public school. I would like to have a choice in where I send my daughter to school. Certainly, if I have the good fortune of living in a good public school district, I would be more than happy to just send my kid to public school (just think of all the paperwork I could avoid). Unfortunately, if that is not the case, and I am able to find a good private school that is affordable with a voucher, I would hope that I would be able to send my child there. Yes a voucher may not cover tuition of ALL private schools (it does some in Utah), but it definitely makes them more affordable for people like me. I just don't know what's wrong with giving people the opportunity to have a choice. And maybe, if schools would try harder to be good if they had to compete against each other for students.

Unknown said...

Forget that last "if." I just woke up and apparently am having a hard time writing...

Unknown said...

And I'm sorry if I misspoke about the subject of charter schools.

Anonymous said...

Rob, may we give a warm welcome to all of the new pro-voucher bloggers who have joined the discussion on Referendum 1? There appears to be such passion from these folks on this issue yet not much familiarity with the subject.

Unknown said...

Anon,

Lari is asking good questions and is keeping an open mind - let's give her the benefit of the doubt. I also remember asking a lot of questions about education before my first child was born.

Good luck, Lari, in your search.

Thanks...Craig.

Rob said...

My point is Lari that you took one news report and saw it as the absolute truth. But when I showed you the KSL rejection of vouchers, and the flawed numbers, "no big deal". So, does the truth matter. or not?

It's not really a big deal Lari, but I will ask, why is it that "the truth" is only important when it serves your desires? If it doesn't, its no biggy?

I too am glad that Lari is here. We even linked her site to ours last night.

Unknown said...

I didn't take it as absolute truth! I thought it was a clever little piece of propaganda that illustrated a point. And yes, I admit that it's propaganda, just like anti-voucher ads are propaganda. Do you really expect a really complicated issue to be related and understood in a 30 second sound-bite? The sad thing is yes, some people think they do. And yet you still post your little anti-voucher propaganda ads, but why is it so terrible when I post my pro-voucher ones?

And yes the truth matters to me. And I don't need you to quote a line from "Liar Liar" for me to seek the truth. I told you it is intriguing that they (KSL) changed their mind, so are you saying that I should change my mind to because KSL did?

And I love how you can't answer a simple question (Where did you get your number for your source?), but find ways of attacking me on a point that is totally irrelevant (KSL's official position).

I can't believe the sort of attacks I'm getting here (except from craig). I'm not just some Neanderthal that can't "understand your ways of high logic."

This is seriously turning me off to the readers of this blog, and this blog's message and agenda. It's obviously partisan, and don't tell me it's not as it has the democratic party's agenda stamped all over it. But that didn't bother me when I first surfed on. I am not Republican, and I typically sympathize more with the Democratic party. But instead of a decent debate, I'm getting called names and accused of not wanting to know the truth. When I'm asking questions to help me find out the truth!

Rob, you seriously need to take a step back, and try to form a cohesive logical argument, and take your personal attacks and obvious intent to misrepresent what I'm trying to say out of it.

Unknown said...

By the way, I had been reading about Referendum 1 long before I came across that KSL video, I had already thought extensively about the issue, and debated it over with friends and family over the past few months before I made any conclusive decision about how I felt about the Referendum. It wasn't KSL that formed my opinion on the matter, and I already stated that I disagree with them changing their mind.

Unknown said...

I'm sorry for being belligerent just now. I'll shut up now. :P

Anonymous said...

lari,
Okay, I'm willing to admit that I may have over-reacted to your first few posts in this thread. They just sounded a bit trollish in nature; I apologize if I jumped the gun.

The problem I see is that most of your questions have been answered many times over on this blog, many other blogs, and most of the Utah newspaper forums. You're kind of saying two different things as well. You say you are seeking information, then go on to imply that you've already researched the topic quite thoroughly. If the latter is the case, then your comments here seem even more trollish in nature. No offense, that's just my impression. :)

The $7500 number is disputed because of the types of funding that it includes. I'm not really big into arguing about it though, because even if we use the $7500 figure, it's quite simple to see that in all likelihood, this voucher program will end up costing Utah taxpayers millions of dollars a year once it is fully implemented. If Rob's figure is accurate (I'd also like to see the source, BTW ;) ) then the program will end up costing even more due to the net decrease in the amount of "savings" per switcher.

As far as KSL goes, they didn't really "change their mind". The "truth test" story was supposed to be an impartial look at the advertising from both sides of the issue. It ended up being a highly inaccurate piece of journalism which at first glance seemed to be nothing but propaganda. Upon learning of KSL's editorial position against Referendum 1, it seems that Richard Piatt's story was simply a very bad piece of journalism. He didn't treat both sides equally and he didn't do the necessary research to really find out the truth. In my opinion, there is a lot of truth in the anti-voucher advertising and very little that could be considered "false" or even "misleading". The pro-voucher side on the other hand is laced with half-truths and outright lies, inlcuding in the commercials that Mr. Piatt stamped as "TRUE". I'm not going to go over it here in detail; if you want to see the arguments, check out the comments to the story on KSL's website (if you haven't already.)

And one last point. You say you're here asking questions to learn the truth, but your first several posts were more about you posting what you saw as the truth when in reality it's all a bunch of pro-voucher propaganda. Your last few posts have given me pause to consider the sincerity of your posts. However, after re-reading your first posts again, I'm beginning to get that trollish feeling again . . . ;)

Rob said...

I don't think you're lying Lari (I never did watch Liar,Liar; was it good?). I just know you're wrong.

The arguments all are here Lari; However, most of the best arguments are not mine.

Thanks for the advice. I'll take a step back.

I looked back to see if anybody called you names including myself.

Harry Nilsson said it best,

"We see what we want to see, and hear what we want to hear."

Congratulations on your new addition. When Abigail was born my life absoultley changed. I truly wanted to be a better man. From reading your blog and can see that you are experiencing the same thoughts and emotions.

Your viewpoints are welcome here.

Unknown said...

Sorry if I sounded trollish myself at any point. I have a tendency to take things personally that aren't meant to be personal sometimes. I guess I could blame it on my pregnancy and my crazy hormones... but that really wouldn't get me anywhere now would it?
:)

Anonymous said...

This is a great post!

Thanks for the clarification, Craig.