I see a few individuals but "Parents" for School Choice is not some grass roots group of concerned "parents" trying to get their kids out of public schools. The major donors are business and out-of-state interests. Patrick Byrne is the CEO of Overstock.com. So now we have big corporate interests determining the quality of education for everyone's kids.
All Children Matter, Inc. is an out-of-state interst group determining our local school policy.
Doug Holmes is a leader of the Voucher Pro-Choice special interest group. Energy Solutions buries nuclear waste in the desert west of Salt Lake County. Developers build real estate--maybe I don't get it becasue I didn't go to private school, but why do these people want to take money out of our public school system? Hint: it is not about kids, it is about their philosophical opposition to a free quality public education for all of our children.
2006 contributions for the Voucher Pro-Choice group:
Holmes, Doug 321 Oak Lane Farmington, UT 84025
01/04/2006
$20000.0
Patrick Byrne700 Bitner Road Park City, UT 84098-
01/09/2006
$20000.0
Black, Robert 5 Hidden Court Park City, UT 84060
01/12/2006
$1000.0
Davis, Glen 2850 East 3300 South Salt Lake City, UT 84109
03/20/2006
$250.0
Sheranian, Lori PO Box 656 Springville, UT 84663
03/20/2006
$50.0
Warren, Kim PO Box 17819 Salt Lake City, UT 84117
03/21/2006
$5000.0
Anderson, Nedra 1791 N 1200 E North Logan, UT 84341
03/22/2006
$100.0
All Children Matter, Inc.201 Monroe Ave NW Ste 300 Grand Rapids, MI 49503
03/25/2006
$50000.0
Jenkins, James W1734 Spring Lane SLC, UT 84117
03/29/2006
$500.0
Tenney, Will 765 W 600 S Alpine, UT 84004
03/30/2006
$750.0
Knight, David 1495 Arlington Drive Salt Lake CIty, UT 84103
04/01/2006
$1000.0
Iverson, Dennis 40 E 200 N Washington, UT 84780
04/02/2006
$50.0
Holmes, Melba 1539 Shadow Valley Dr Ogden, UT 84403
04/25/2006
$50.0
Fillmore, Lincoln 2355 Karalee Way Sandy, UT 84092
04/27/2006
$100.0
Purinton, Jeanne 485 E 700 N Spanish Fork, UT 84660
05/02/2006
$50.0
Patrick Byrne700 Bitner Road Park City, UT 84098-
05/08/2006
$20000.0
All Children Matter, Inc.201 Monroe Ave NW Ste 300 Grand Rapids, MI 49503
06/05/2006
$50000.0
Harris, Neal 2108 N Summer Wood Dr Farmington, UT 84025
06/26/2006
$500.0
Baker, Joe 231 Rountree Dr Cedar City, UT 84720
07/13/2006
$50.0
Patrick Byrne700 Bitner Road Park City, UT 84098-
07/14/2006
$10000.0
Holmes, Erin 321 E Oak Lane Farmington, UT 84025
09/12/2006
$1500.0
Jenkins, James W1734 Spring Lane SLC, UT 84117
09/12/2006
$5000.0
TSS Investments252 W 540 N Orem, UT 84057
09/12/2006
$5000.0
McGuire Group LLC85 Eastbay Blvd Provo, UT 84606
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Construction by Design Corp.PO Box 118 Spanish Fork, UT 84660
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Barfuss, Andrew 673 Ridgewood Cir. Farmington, UT 84025
08/02/2006
$500.0
Laycock, Lloyd 1540 S Kanab Creek Dr Kanab, UT 84741
08/08/2006
$50.0
Erickson, Amy 2295 S Bountiful Blvd Bountiful, UT 84010
09/12/2006
$500.0
Zito, Anthony 12298 Graystone Ct Draper, UT 84020
09/12/2006
$750.0
Pankratz, Teena 11963 Draperville Ave Draper, UT 84020
09/12/2006
$50.0
L & S Auto Sales497 Market St Kaysville, UT 84037
09/12/2006
$500.0
Dynes, Adam M224 5th Avenue Apt B Salt Lake CIty, UT 84103
09/12/2006
$50.0
Casa Bella Development 2040 East 4800 South, Sute 202A Holladay, UT 84117
10/22/2006
$1500.0
Fuller, Brandon 6972 N Northfork Rd. Liberty, UT 84310
10/13/2006
$100.0
Eringo , Mike KobiaPO Box 11843 Salt Lake City, UT 84147
10/06/2006
$200.0
Moon, Gregory 419 Salvia Ct Bel Air, MD 21025
10/06/2006
$50.0
Aggregate ContributionsVarious Various, UT 84111
10/28/2006
$90.0
contributions received from 9/16 - 10/31/2006
Olde Millinery Investments LLCPO Box 276 Farmington, UT 84025
09/12/2006
$500.0
JD Clark Enterprises, Inc.2774 North 920 East North Logan, UT 84341
09/12/2006
$1000.0
Five Pillar Investments LLC863 S 1520 E Spanish Fork, UT 84660
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Davis, Glen 2850 East 3300 South Salt Lake City, UT 84109
03/20/2006
$250.0
Knight, David 1495 Arlington Drive Salt Lake CIty, UT 84103
04/01/2006
$1000.0
Poulton, Steve 2137 E. 3300 S. Salt Lake City, UT 84109
07/26/2006
$200.0
Bateman, Kyle 4001 N Sherwood Dr Provo, UT 84604
09/07/2006
$300.0
Koerber, Claud R599 E 1355 S Springville, UT 84663
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Joseph, Gabriel 188 W River Park Dr Provo, UT 84603
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Holbrook, Jonathan 378 Alice Mae Cir Farmington, UT 84025
09/12/2006
$300.0
Clements, Jordan W.6372 S Braxton Ct. Salt Lake City, UT 84121
09/12/2006
$1500.0
Toone, Rock 4780 S 2400 W Roy, UT 84067
09/12/2006
$100.0
Andersen, Steven 346 Oak Ln Farmington, UT 84025
09/12/2006
$500.0
McGarry, Tricia 2018 E Terrace Court Sandy, UT 84093
09/12/2006
$750.0
Franklin Squires Investments85 Eastbay Blvd Provo, UT 84606
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Sheranian, Lori PO Box 656 Springville, UT 84663
03/20/2006
$50.0
Holmes, Melba 1539 Shadow Valley Dr Ogden, UT 84403
04/25/2006
$50.0
Fillmore, Lincoln 2355 Karalee Way Sandy, UT 84092
04/27/2006
$100.0
Harris, Neal 2108 N Summer Wood Dr Farmington, UT 84025
06/26/2006
$500.0
Baker, Joe 231 Rountree Dr Cedar City, UT 84720
07/13/2006
$50.0
Knudsen Fillmore, Alexandra 2355 Karalee Way Sandy, UT 84092
09/08/2006
$900.0
Celaya, Katie 3449 E Appaloosa Way Eagle Mountain, UT 84043
09/12/2006
$50.0
Hill Erickson LLC85 East Bay Blvd, Ste 200 Provo, UT 84606
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Holmes, Doug 321 Oak Lane Farmington, UT 84025
01/04/2006
$20000.0
Patrick Byrne700 Bitner Road Park City, UT 84098-
07/14/2006
$10000.0
Holmes, Allison 416 N Seven Peaks Blvd. #317 Provo, UT 84606
09/16/2006
$100.0
All Children Matter, Inc.201 Monroe Ave NW Ste 300 Grand Rapids, MI 49503
09/18/2006
$50000.0
Halar Corp568 West 800 North Orem, UT 84057
09/20/2006
$500.0
Coleman, Aleisha 127 East 400 South Provo, UT 84060
10/13/2006
$100.0
Pankratz, Teena 11963 Draperville Ave Draper, UT 84020
10/13/2006
$50.0
Thomas V. Hatch Campaign FundPO Box 391 Panguitch, UT 84759
10/13/2006
$1000.0
Dickson, Dana 3643 Choke Cherry Dr. Salt Lake City, UT 84109
10/20/2006
$50.0
Energy Solutions423 West 300 South Suite 200 SLC, UT 84101
10/20/2006
$1500.0
Holmes, Melba 1539 Shadow Valley Dr Ogden, UT 84403
10/20/2006
$100.0
Ahlstrom, Paul 7911 S. Davinci Drive Salt Lake City, UT 84121
09/22/2006
$5000.0
Haroldsen, Mark O.4505 Wasatch Blvd. Salt Lake City, UT 84124
10/06/2006
$1500.0
D+E Development, LLC321 E Oak Lane Farmington, UT 84025
10/26/2006
$10000.0
Stevens, Todd One South Main Street Salt Lake City, UT 84111
10/06/2006
$300.0
Peterson , Joel 6033 South 2300 East Salt Lake City, UT 84121
10/06/2006
$5000.0
Potter, Steven 240 Old Kings Hwy S Darien, UT 06820
10/06/2006
$200.0
Madsen, Mark 333 E Main, PO Box 527 Lehi, UT 84043
09/16/2006
$500.0
Bailey, Donald PO Box 1221 Provo, UT 84603
09/16/2006
$50.0
Legends Land & Ranch, LLCPO Box 33759 Indialantic, FL 32903
09/16/2006
$1000.0
Johnson, Hal 568 W 800 N Ste 203 Orem, UT 84057
09/16/2006
$500.0
Celaya, Chelsea 739 Sand Dollar Dr. Sandy, UT 84094
08/30/2006
$250.0
Knight, David 1495 Arlington Drive Salt Lake CIty, UT 84103
09/10/2006
$500.0
Media Forum, Inc8548 Mivu Circle Sandy, UT 84093
09/11/2006
$4500.0
Coleman, Aleisha 127 East 400 South Provo, UT 84060
09/12/2006
$50.0
Swain, Lew 1688 N canyon Circle Farmington, UT 84025
09/12/2006
$700.0
Fillmore, Lincoln 2355 Karalee Way Sandy, UT 84092
09/12/2006
$50.0
Capital Enterprises LLC415 W 3700 N Provo, UT 84604
09/12/2006
$5000.0
Black, Robert 5 Hidden Court Park City, UT 84060
01/12/2006
$1000.0
Warren, Kim PO Box 17819 Salt Lake City, UT 84117
03/21/2006
$5000.0
Iverson, Dennis 40 E 200 N Washington, UT 84780
04/02/2006
$50.0
Patrick Byrne700 Bitner Road Park City, UT 84098-
05/08/2006
$20000.0
Tenney, Will 765 W 600 S Alpine, UT 84004
03/30/2006
$750.0
Purinton, Jeanne 485 E 700 N Spanish Fork, UT 84660
05/02/2006
$50.0
Aggregate ContributionsVarious Various, UT 84111
12/31/2006
$25.0
aggregate contributions 10/29-12/31/2006
Doug Holmes321 E. Oak Lane Farmington, UT 84025
12/21/2006
$20000.0
Merrill, Teressa 4901 Whitsett Ave. #206 Valley Village, CA 91607
11/20/2006
$3800.0
Peterson, Elisa C6508 Hickory Lane Salt Lake City, UT 84121
12/13/2006
$716.42
Yes
phone bills
D+E Development, LLC321 E Oak Lane Farmington, UT 84025
11/20/2006
$20000.0
Yes
Peterson, Elisa C6508 Hickory Lane Salt Lake City, UT 84121
12/1
8 comments:
I think it’s great that these people are being politically pro-active and taking a serious interest in the future of our children and our state.
This movement will give parents like me the freedom to send my child and my tax dollars to schools which will only continue to improve under a free market system. Schools will either have to improve or close.
Like the pervious anon poster stated, vouchers have worked in the northeast in the poorest of neighborhoods, allowing inner city parents to send their kids to middle, upper middle class private schools as well as private schools. Schools which don’t cut it will loose students and tax dollars and either be forced to close or change.
This is a great concept, freedom for parents, freedom for students and pro-active, pro-free market environment for our public schools.
Sounds like anonymous 1 has never met a government program that he doesn't want to profiteer from. Free Market Shree Market, lets subject our most promising and valuable thing in our society--our children-- to the violent turbulents of market whims of insolvency, failure and bankruptcy. We tried your method it was call education before the enlightenment. It results in caste systems and class division. The aristocracy gets educated the rest turn into surfs and peasants. Freedom for the rich and more crime, drugs and lack of opportunity for the rest of society.
A1 sounds like a hypnotised robot.
Your learned the lie and you spread it well.
One of the major tenets of liberalism is the readiness to sacrifice the rights and freedoms of the individual for the good of the state.
That’s why some liberals oppose school choice. Everyone recognizes that giving a kid in a failing public school the option to attend a private school is better for that kid. However, liberals argue that if we allow kids the right to pick their school, the result will be a wholesale abandonment of the public school monopoly. (Of course, why liberals think public schools are so inferior an option that they can’t compete with private schools is another matter altogether.) These opponents of vouchers wring their hands and cry that vouchers will “weaken” public schools by “taking dollars out” or permitting private schools to “cherry pick” the best students.
All of these concerns are unfounded. The Left can’t understand that by permitting individuals the freedom to choose their school, new pressures are created that will improve all schools—including the public schools that are seemingly going to be abandoned.
A new study of the impact of competition in Florida from the Manhattan Institute reinforces this point. The state of Florida’s A+ program forces students to take a standardized test, and then grades schools based on student performance. Students in schools that receive a failing “F” grade for any two years in a four year period become eligible for a school voucher.
In When Schools Compete: The Effect of Vouchers on Florida Public School Achievement, Dr. Jay Greene and Marcus Winters found that Florida public schools improved with this competition, and that the public schools facing failing grades improved the most. Of course, the students given vouchers are better off—but the failing schools these students can now leave are also performing better! It’s exactly the opposite of the liberal gloom and doom prediction. (the full report is available here) Florida Governor Jeb Bush is a national leader on education competition, and his vision of education competition is starting to bear fruit in the sunshine state.
Of course, facts and evidence will never be enough to convince the teachers’ unions that education competition is a good thing. For far too long, the public schools monopolies have been run as a jobs program first, with education only as the secondary mission. Simply look at the ratio of actual classroom educators to support staff in the United States. In the vast majority of school districts, there are more employees not teaching than teaching. Vouchers and competition brings competitive pressure, which over time will produce excellence. That’s supported by the latest evidence from Florida, and a reason why we should support additional experiments in school choice.
In fact, Congress will be voting on a substantial new scholarship program for low-income kids stuck in Washington, D.C. public schools. It’s called the D.C. Parental Choice Incentive Act (H.R. 2556). Many D.C. schools, despite funding levels well above the national average, are failing these kids, and this program would give them the opportunity to attend a private school. That’s why many D.C. parents, D.C. Mayor Anthony Williams, and even the liberal Washington Post all support the plan.
I agree with your premise that "Parents for Choice" do not represent 'parents'. On the other hand, neither do any one group of 'parents' represent all other 'parents' either. The interests, opinions, and motives of 'parents' are variable.
I reject the notion that because donors are not parents themselves, that they lack any interest in how education occurs. They have as much invested in an educated populace as anyone else.
I also reject the notion that public schools should be replaced with private schools. Or, that we ought to do away with public schools.
One thing we should not forget about vouchers, as they have been proposed by Friedman, is that they were to apply universally to all schools. They were intended to allow choice between public as well as private schools.
Hi. Patrick Byrne here. Is there a logical fallacy implicit in the post, "'Parents' for Choice money primarily not from parents"? There certainly is.
Look at it this way: someone who says he is pro-voucher is either a parent, or not a parent (there's no middle ground, I think).
If he is a parent (with a child in school), then his child is either in a public school or a private school.
If the child is in a public school, then the criticism will be, "He's just speaking from self-interest because he wants a voucher to move his child from public school to private school."
If the child is in a private school, then the criticism will be, "He's just speaking from self-interest because he wants a voucher to make his chilren's private school education cheaper."
And if the pro-voucher person is not a parent at all (as I am not), then the argument is, "Well he shouldn't have an opinion."
In short, these are all glib attempts to clutch at any straw to criticize the person who is pro-voucher, while deflecting attention from any substantive argument.
Silly.
Patrick
I agree with Patrick. Vouchers are most often for self-interest. I wonder if I can have a voucher so that I can become a parent. After, all those who have the "choice" to become parents seem to have a "lack" of choice and want to use my tax dollars for their personal choice, I probably should have some of theirs as well since I have my own "lack" of choice.
"Hint: it is not about kids, it is about their philosophical opposition to a free quality public education for all of our children."
Now that's just trolling on your own board! Of course no one's opposed to quality education for all children. But everyone, regardless of their background, knows that competition improves quality. I think the only real debate is whether there is such thing as a "free" market, or whether, in the absence of a utopian free market such competition can do its job without being overtaken by corruption. But look at charter schools--they're 100% private schools with absolutely no benefit on paper over a raw public school except for one variable: they are allowed to compete for students. And voila! All schools, and I do mean all, have benefited from the competition. Look around at how much better Utah's schools are now than ten years ago.
--Colin Jensen, local Principal
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