tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post3528213040681693790..comments2023-10-25T04:06:39.650-06:00Comments on THE UTAH AMICUS: Oh, how I miss ETB!Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15268367840057258095noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-74473222913233029582008-07-14T10:49:00.000-06:002008-07-14T10:49:00.000-06:00SLC Mama, Your an idiot. You know nothing of histo...SLC Mama, <BR/><BR/>Your an idiot. You know nothing of history, nor could you tell me the difference between facisim, nazism and communism. Liberal facsism is when a liberal decides to force through government their goofy ideals. Example, forced medical insurance-Liberal facism, Seatbelt laws-Liberal facism, get it? Probably notAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-28015065590155156312008-07-07T18:43:00.000-06:002008-07-07T18:43:00.000-06:00Oh, and liberal and fascist are opposite terms. Fa...Oh, and liberal and fascist are opposite terms. Fascism is a movement of the far right. It's equivalent on the far left was communism. But if you think Obama is far left, you may not understand the distinction.SLC Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136021997847000793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-8816373787869861492008-07-07T18:41:00.000-06:002008-07-07T18:41:00.000-06:00Umm, anon -- hello? Anyone home? Only in Utah woul...Umm, anon -- hello? Anyone home? Only in Utah would anyone left of far right be called a liberal fascist<BR/><BR/>Obama's economic advisers are called the Chicago Boys. Obama himself said that he loves the "free market" and has a big Wal-mart fan (Jason Furman -- who also wants the SS private accounts, just like Bush) on his economic team. That's a definite far cry from the left.<BR/><BR/>We on the left have folks like Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. So you can get some perspective of what really is left, you might want to check out their positions.<BR/><BR/>Obama is center because while he has some liberal values, he has several on right, including the willingness to continue funding the Iraq war.SLC Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136021997847000793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-46708203223085925772008-07-07T17:36:00.000-06:002008-07-07T17:36:00.000-06:00OH MY! did you just say Obama is a centrist? Ma'am...OH MY! did you just say Obama is a centrist? Ma'am you need to wake up. Obama is a Liberal Fascist! He is the complete return of Karl Marx. God help us if you think he is a centrist. Only a full blown member of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party would consider Obama a "centrist."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-17750221451704342442008-07-07T14:19:00.000-06:002008-07-07T14:19:00.000-06:00It's hard to claim to know who a President of the ...It's hard to claim to know who a President of the LDS Church would (have) vote(d) for, considering that the Church always advocates political neutrality. However, reading the quote from Benson's speech, I think that neither Obama nor McCain come anywhere close to filling what Benson states are the requirements for public office. In varying degrees Obama and McCain BOTH advocate usurping our liberties. While Obama would be worse in this regard, McCain would ride with the same heinous imperialism that has plagued the GW Bush administration for the last 8 years.<BR/><BR/>Neither is a good candidate. Ron Paul was a great candidate, but we exited the race when too many people pigeonholed themselves into the Orwellian 1984 scenario of false alternatives.<BR/><BR/>With Ron Paul having stepped down, the best remaining candidate is Bob Barr. He understands liberty in the mode of Benson and the Founding Fathers.Frank Stahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01822334061980912687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-58113659329998535972008-07-07T13:50:00.000-06:002008-07-07T13:50:00.000-06:00Obama's too much of a centrist to be a socialist.Obama's too much of a centrist to be a socialist.SLC Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136021997847000793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-27916118241670406502008-07-07T13:18:00.000-06:002008-07-07T13:18:00.000-06:00Or he could be talking about Obama's socialist pla...Or he could be talking about Obama's socialist plans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-84510128177433373132008-07-07T13:06:00.000-06:002008-07-07T13:06:00.000-06:00At first I thought he was talking about Republican...At first I thought he was talking about Republican defense spending. Take out the last paragraph about socialists and the like, and it could be about our obsessive need for killing all middle-easterners before they kill us . . .SLC Mamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136021997847000793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-25115398134115518272008-07-06T21:16:00.000-06:002008-07-06T21:16:00.000-06:00The theocon and libertarian disparager Paul Mero d...The <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoconservatism" REL="nofollow">theocon</A> and <A HREF="http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=2757&department=CFI&categoryid=cfreport" REL="nofollow">libertarian disparager</A> Paul Mero doesn't have much credibility quoting Ezra Taft Benson and <A HREF="http://www.lputah.org/node/33" REL="nofollow">invoking the War in Heaven</A> when his <A HREF="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/16/1918/" REL="nofollow">social tyranny</A> advocacy organization -- The Sutherland Institute -- works under the guise of exalting the "family as the fundamental unit of society" to fill the State of Utah's prisons with those who possess, produce, or promote erotic photographs, movies, videos, music, or reading material (<A HREF="http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/sitePages/index.asp?section=pages&page=legislation" REL="nofollow">House Bill 260, 2005</A>).<BR/><BR/>The message from erotica that Mero & Company want censored: <A HREF="http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfiles/views03/1026-01.htm" REL="nofollow">"Make Love, Not War."</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-10464213413847730262008-07-06T20:30:00.000-06:002008-07-06T20:30:00.000-06:00Rhe simple answer to the trick question is that Bo...Rhe simple answer to the trick question is that Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate is the only one who fits the guidelinesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-18986636179423666432008-07-05T23:18:00.000-06:002008-07-05T23:18:00.000-06:00The comments in this post are a great argument for...The comments in this post are a great argument for abolishing anonymous commenting on this blog. <BR/><BR/>Pathetic.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15775127589033724985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-76489339950666573882008-07-05T16:52:00.000-06:002008-07-05T16:52:00.000-06:00Jean Welch Hill? needs a hair cut.Jean Welch Hill? <BR/><BR/>needs a hair cut.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-87700130696240667102008-07-05T16:48:00.000-06:002008-07-05T16:48:00.000-06:00OK Jerk off, what DID Milton Friedman say about so...OK Jerk off, what DID Milton Friedman say about socialism??? Exactly!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-50762646610015137192008-07-05T12:39:00.000-06:002008-07-05T12:39:00.000-06:00Seger sucks? Stop listening to Miley Cyrus and Bri...Seger sucks? Stop listening to Miley Cyrus and Britney Spears and expand your horizons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-46047770282147765652008-07-05T11:32:00.000-06:002008-07-05T11:32:00.000-06:00Who killed the electric car?Wayne Holland Jr.Who killed the electric car?<BR/><BR/>Wayne Holland Jr.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-46035532414120045572008-07-05T10:42:00.000-06:002008-07-05T10:42:00.000-06:00Dude...Segar sucks!Dude...Segar sucks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-5609340498428722242008-07-05T10:03:00.000-06:002008-07-05T10:03:00.000-06:00You question the rationality of it through hateful...You question the rationality of it through hateful commentary. This is my point. It's sad.<BR/><BR/>As I pointed out. Please quote any spiritual, or any other leader you like. And rest assured that I will not spew hate as a response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-23181241885457929532008-07-05T09:53:00.000-06:002008-07-05T09:53:00.000-06:00Anon 1:13,You can giggle all you want, but your gi...Anon 1:13,<BR/><BR/>You can giggle all you want, but your giggling doesn't refute my points. Again, I don't deny anyone the right to quote fables and "prophets". I just question the rationality of it.<BR/><BR/>If you can quote Mormon prophets should I start quoting fables from Hindu prophets?<BR/><BR/>Why don't we ask what (the) Buddha and the Great Spirit would do?<BR/><BR/>Has anyone asked what Bob Seger would do? At least Seger had some decent songs (Main Street, Her Strut, Against the Wind). ETB and Jesus can even claim that.<BR/><BR/>We should be more concerned about what Robert Rubin, Milton Friedman, Larry Summers, Robert Reich think and would do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-6694539154474777142008-07-05T09:47:00.000-06:002008-07-05T09:47:00.000-06:00Plus, it seems that those "evil" corporations are ...Plus, it seems that those "evil" corporations are the ones paying the vast majority of the income tax. By the way, did I miss something, or was Enron allowed to fail? <BR/><BR/>Bear-Stearns was saved as to avoid calling all of the mortgages that collateralized its debts. Should we have allowed that? And, it was saved primarily in the private sector, using the Fed simply for a bridge loan that will be fully repaid.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, communism doesn't work. This is no secret. The closer we come to it, the less efficient we become.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-86615584555223366232008-07-05T09:25:00.000-06:002008-07-05T09:25:00.000-06:00Jesus oppossed theft you nutcake. Tell me, why is ...Jesus oppossed theft you nutcake. Tell me, why is it that you like the government taking money from your pocket (by threat of arrest) and then giving it to someone else? WHile you call this welfare, it is nothing of the sort. Charity can NEVER be compelled, or it is not charity. Wake up you marxist!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-66320313312914271622008-07-05T06:48:00.000-06:002008-07-05T06:48:00.000-06:00"No true Latter-day Saint and no true American can..."No true Latter-day Saint and no true American can be a socialist or a communist or support programs leading in that direction."<BR/><BR/>So we should oppose social programs that help people who need help, but corporate welfare is okay, right? Typical of Mero, ETB, and other like-minded to use labels like "socialism" to scare people into voting against their consciences and their own best interests. I suppose the more righteous among us prefer sending our money to big oil, the military-industrial complex, financial bailouts, etc. But nothing for the less fortunate.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I know the importance of corporate health for a good economy. But it's not an either/or situation. I wonder, what would Jesus do?Bekkieannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13058996951400003081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-64304871912166415352008-07-05T01:13:00.000-06:002008-07-05T01:13:00.000-06:00No, your point is to tear down the beliefs of othe...No, your point is to tear down the beliefs of others. There is no irrationality in quoting a modern Mormon prophet. Nor is it irrational to quote another spiritual leader. <BR/><BR/>It is, however, completely inappropriate to spew hateful rhetoric if you would like to disagree.<BR/><BR/>If you don't like the basis of the discussion, say so. Or, don't participate. It is much more impactful than being hateful.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I am simply giggling at your statement:<BR/><BR/>"Did I say that all parties did not have the "right" to be heard? I never said such things. I just pointed out the irrationality of quoting ETB."<BR/><BR/>The contradictory nature of your words is really funny!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-68392168169307022012008-07-05T00:34:00.000-06:002008-07-05T00:34:00.000-06:00Did I say that all parties did not have the "right...Did I say that all parties did not have the "right" to be heard? I never said such things. I just pointed out the irrationality of quoting ETB.<BR/><BR/>If ETB quotes become a basis for discussion, what about some alleged quotes from a pagan Celtic god or the Great Spirit of some Native American tribe?<BR/><BR/>I propose that we base our discussions on facts, not fables.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-21655885967002702212008-07-04T23:20:00.000-06:002008-07-04T23:20:00.000-06:00I would never play the "hate-and-intolerance" card...I would never play the "hate-and-intolerance" card in any discussion. And certainly would not agree or disagree with such language. I simply condemn it, regardless of the topics it is addressing.<BR/><BR/>Regardless, it is repugnant to engage in such language, even if it has to do with religion or any other topic of discussion. It shows a lack of thoughtfulness on your part. In America all parties involved have the right to be heard, even if one of those parties is a religious group.<BR/><BR/>I didn't play the hate card. I simply pointed the card out in your hand. If you don't like playing it, throw it away. And begin to engage in thoughtful, meaningful debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-739095710428652472008-07-04T23:08:00.000-06:002008-07-04T23:08:00.000-06:00You equate disagreement with hate and intolerance,...You equate disagreement with hate and intolerance, but only if the disagreement is about religion.<BR/><BR/>If I had used similar language and terminology about someone's position on economics, national defense, energy, education, etc., you would have either agreed with me or disagreed with me while stating the reasons why. Instead you play the hate-and-intolerance card. Nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com