tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post1895722883562247560..comments2023-10-25T04:06:39.650-06:00Comments on THE UTAH AMICUS: Part II: Why is Doug Butts auditing Judge Rodney S. Page?Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15268367840057258095noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-76065209958404343462008-02-15T15:57:00.000-07:002008-02-15T15:57:00.000-07:00Are you kidding me? the solution to judges legisla...Are you kidding me? the solution to judges legislating from the bench is the appeals process? Come on! The appeals process, if after thousands of dollars spent and countless hours, is succesful, only reverses a judges decision it does nothing to audit a judges conduct on any level. Has any judge ever been disaplined after losing an appeal? The only thing the appeals process benefits is to line the pockets of money hungry lawyers and what ultimately keeps some of them in business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-27226167348443628862008-02-15T15:42:00.000-07:002008-02-15T15:42:00.000-07:00I have given the appeals question some thought. ...I have given the appeals question some thought. I could say a lot of about this having gone through the process myself and know first hand the trauma, cost.. etc associated with it and my family. <BR/><BR/> Personally I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy…<BR/> <BR/>My answer is this:<BR/>Tell that to someone who barely has money for food let alone fight to see his children.<BR/><BR/>Tell that to someone who has to live in an RV on the corner parking lot.<BR/><BR/>Tell that to someone who had to get up in the middle of the night RV propane runs out, zero degrees outside dumping his sewage at Flying J, with his children still in the RV.<BR/><BR/>Tell that to someone who's ex wife says they can do what they want because the judge will always rule in their favor no matter what they do. So they have to end up calling the police to get their children.<BR/><BR/>Yup, the system works just appeal.. Don't try and make the system better and let the poor sap in the RV and his kids suffer because some rich guy said they should appeal.WatchUtahJudgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16308114011734337955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-39440236637662513982008-02-15T13:53:00.000-07:002008-02-15T13:53:00.000-07:00The appeals process is lengthly and expensive. Wh...The appeals process is lengthly and expensive. Why can't the judges just follow the law? Can anyone offer a reasonable, inteligent reason why a judge would deviate from such a simple statute? Maybe I’m missing something, but it doesn’t seem like the particular statute leaves any room for interpretation. If we can't count on a judge to follow the law, why do we have a legislature? Judges should be held accountible, just like everyone else is in their job. If they are not audited, then how do we know that they are following the law? Do we not expect judges to follow to law?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-75625176963961115652008-02-15T05:54:00.000-07:002008-02-15T05:54:00.000-07:00“We have a state auditor, and county auditors, so ...“We have a state auditor, and county auditors, so why is it that we don’t have a judicial auditor?”<BR/><BR/><BR/>Please don’t miss-understand what I’m about to say; I really believe you are doing a great public service.<BR/><BR/>But, the reason we do not have judicial auditors is that we have courts of appeal which are acceptable remedies for all parities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-26754536389592666492008-02-14T15:35:00.000-07:002008-02-14T15:35:00.000-07:00I can see why Mr. Butts is doing this. Why should...I can see why Mr. Butts is doing this. Why should citizens have to spend their money appealing a ruling if a judge has not followed a statute? Citizens should expect judges to follow the rules each time and not need to waste their own money and court time in needless appeals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-46552036011839520012008-02-14T10:20:00.000-07:002008-02-14T10:20:00.000-07:00My first thought on this, is that it sounds like P...My first thought on this, is that it sounds like Person A is upset because Judge Page has ordered Person A to pay 100% of insurance. If Person A were still married in a household where only Person A works, Person A would be paying 100% of insurance.ThaddeusQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06335821042626276593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21680780.post-32388303461550173872008-02-14T10:19:00.000-07:002008-02-14T10:19:00.000-07:00Again, I am going to say that I still think by in ...Again, I am going to say that I still think by in large, the judicial retention system works well as is. <BR/><BR/>Mr. Butts is well within his rights to convince voters that Judge Page should not be retained. If he wanted to address his personal concerns about his own cases, he should contact an attorney to seek an appeal or maybe a civil suit against the judge. Or he could contact Sen. Buttars et al and hold hearings on the matter.<BR/><BR/>The last post on this topic got nasty and fast, including an anonymous poster who called me an idiot even though it is pretty clear the commenter doesn't know the first thing about the law.<BR/><BR/>Again, if the statute is so obviously misapplied, then an appeal should be easy (and you get the losing side to pay your attorney fees and costs if you win on appeal). <BR/><BR/>I am not going to get into the business of giving Mr. Butts legal advice, because it is unethical and unwise. If collecting piles of data makes him feel better, that's great, but if he wants to do something about it, I would suggest he contact his legislators and an attorney (and maybe a financial planner). <BR/><BR/>But to the heart of your post, I really disagree with your that we need an auditor for state judges. They are accountable via appeals, the judicial council, the legislature (embarressing hearings, changing the laws etc.), and retention elections.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838181044501638999noreply@blogger.com